The closest I ever came to a religious experience was listening to Ivan Illich. it or not). I devoured both Medical Nemesis and Limits to Medicine,† and now . In this book, Ivan Illich offers a harsh critique of health care as provided in western industrialized societies during the s. However, he did. This is the opening statement and basic contention of Ivan Illich’s searing social critique. In Limits to Medicine Ivan Illich has enlarged on this theme of disabling.

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Limits to Medicine–Medical Nemesis: The Expropriation of Health

In this book he challenges the deepest assumptions behind capitalistic medicine, or medicine practiced in a culture where virtually everything, including care, is commodified and done for profit. There is a whole lot of bullshit one must sort through to find a nugget of truth in these writings.

You are commenting using your Facebook account. Medicine has created a myth that we can heal everything, given enough time and money.

What could anyone object to about making sick people better? Dear Fiona, Thank you for your comments. Illich argues the solution is a “political program aimed at the limitation of professional management of health And I think his analysis in Part IV is useful for anyone thinking about the balance of rights and liberty medicin society and how those are shaped, strengthened, or limited by major institutions.

Then again, much of what he is saying is not measurable, like the loss of autonomy of the individual to cope with what ivwn has dealt them. Personally, I thought this as a critique of modernity was reminiscent of Adorno and Horkheimer’s critique of the cuture industry with for example its emphasis on standardisation and psudoindividualisation as specific symptoms of beaurocratic culture.

So for the health care system, the focus on industrial output of new treatment creates a dependence on hospitals and medicines and insurance that prevent citizens from understanding their own power for self-care, mericine that in the end we end up dumping ever more resources into a system that in fact is now harming, rather than helping, health.

Some very good points. However, I do not think we currently have evidence of any specific abnormalities in most mental disorders.

I registered a book at BookCrossing. Ideology and Insanity Thomas Szasz. The threat which current medicine represents to the health of populations is analogous to the threat which the volume and intensity of traffic represent to mobility, the threat which education and the media represent to learning, and the threat which urbanization represents to competence in homemaking.


Keep up the good work, Joanna. This appro A scathing indictment of modern medicine. Power, Money and Sex James Robertson. If you can get past the plethora of footnotes on each page, some taking up more space than the actual text, you might have a readable treatise.

The bullshit marketing to lure in more ‘health consumption’ that people don’t need – until we tell them they do. It is very condescending to assume that the majority of psychiatrists are unaware of the long term effects of antipsychotics and do not discuss this with patients, they are! Radikalisasi saintifik di banyak elemen manusia tak hanya membawa efek baik, seperti penemuan teknologi, tapi juga membebani masyarakat.

Illich does not get the credit he deserves for being one of the first to shed light on this area. Mark rated it it was amazing Apr 18, Seperti di dunia kedokteran. Social iatrogenesis involves the conversion of health care to the default: The only way to deal with these problems is by working with the requirements of the body and they do not include ANY psychiatric drugs, especially in the long term.

Limits to Medicine Ivan Illich. It is also the premise that we can, and should, do all we can to fight and delay death. Who draws up the balance sheet that includes the poisonous chemicals the medical complex produces, the waste, the populace unable to provide any degree of self-care, the elderly abandoned by their Modern discussion about politics, the future, culture, etc.

I found this a difficult read but a good introduction both to iatrogenic disease itself and broader questions of the creation of industrial intradependence and what he terms “specific counter-productivity”. Healthy people are those who live in healthy homes on a healthy diet in an environment equally fit for birth, growth, work, healing, and dying; they are sustained by a culture that enhances the conscious acceptance of limits to population of aging, of incomplete recovery and ever-imminent death.

If he isn’t right, at least he makes us think. Though the book was written in the 70s so a lot of the research is dated, much of the book still rings true – its the same shit just with more forward momentum. The author has serious issues with the industrialization and medicalizatio of healthcare which has resulted in people being ignorant about how to take care of themselves- the basics of living a good healthy life.

Doctor Skeptic: Book review: Limits to Medicine

By using our website you agree to our use of cookies. We have come to believe that technology can eradicate all human suffering and provide unblemished and everlasting happiness. Social iatrogenesis has become a greater threat with health care becoming more standardized and concentrated: What do you think it does to the self esteem and dignity of people like me to have you suggesting that these are merely normal mental states and that we should stop medicalising ourselves and get on with it?


It consists not only of making individuals but whole populations survive on inhumanly low levels of personal health. He clearly believes that most of our major systems today focus on the latter, to the detriment of what they are intended for. Modern medicine can take almost no credit for increases in life expectancy in the past years, it was sanitation, underwear, and better food, etc. Illich was not a doctor, so how can he comment on the state of medicine, right?

I wanted to go abroad and spread the wonders of western medicine to the underdeveloped world. But we yet also do still see ourselves heavily burdened with overgrown welfare states, and dangerously low birth rates. Those against psychiatry needs to focus on this financial area if they are to be really effective.

Reading this as a medical student it made the most perfect lucid sense. For example, in our desire to diagnose as many people with as many diseases as we can, we do not pay heed to the negative effects of simply diagnosing someone, with anything. It really needs drastic change, but we need more people to educate themselves and take back responsibility over their own health.

Limits to Medicine: Medical Nemesis: The Expropriation of Health

He gives us a look at the iatrogenesis harm caused by medical intervention at a clinical, social and cultural level. I’m so busy fighting back and ivvan in the Psych Wars, that I didn’t notice…. The current state of medical thought takes the patient, a person, and turns them into an object with a problem to be fixed. The wishful thinking that medicine has come to embody obscures the limitations of the human condition, leaving people less aware of their own nature.

I rank this with Marx’s Communist Manifesto Reading this as a medical student it made the most perfect lucid sense. The harmful way we remove autonomy of pimits – only the expert can be trusted to facilitate read: